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all right welcome to somewhere in the

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skies we've been talking off there for

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about 20 minutes now and this is what

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happens

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when you get the three of us together so

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shannon legros

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seth brave welcome once again to

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somewhere in the skies

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hello hey you couldn't have picked a

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better time to

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kind of get into the ufo uh what would

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you even call it i guess space

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it started with the first season of on

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the trail of ufos

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and then boom dark sky hits it's gonna

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hit i should say

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august 3rd which this will air i believe

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right around then

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um and man again you guys hit

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solid gold when it comes to you know

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ufos being in the mainstream but

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what i found really interesting about

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this film and we will talk about this is

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this isn't your mainstream ufology this

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isn't the

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pentagon this isn't you know the navy

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ufo videos and the same three

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uh people on television telling you what

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to think about ufos

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and um that's what i really appreciated

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about this film so i have to ask before

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we get into what was in

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dark sky um did you know seth

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i guess shannon too did you guys know

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you wanted to continue

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on the trail of ufos after the first uh

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season hit amazon which i should mention

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has been viewed over 10 million times i

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in one of your pressers that's

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incredible um did you know that you

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wanted to continue doing this

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it's considerably higher than 10

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actually because because they didn't

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there there's a samsung app that the

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series is on it's really only available

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in two places but we're we're trying to

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i just literally had a meeting last

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night with 1091 about trying to fix this

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amazon basically took the the series off

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recently it's still available for like

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rentals but it's no longer

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on prime um but it

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it's got to be closer to like 13 mil i

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would think people have seen it by now

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the the fact is um and shannon could

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probably vouch for this for the first

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like half a year that the series was out

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i mean like flop would be the right word

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was viewing i guess i was viewing

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numbers you know like financial numbers

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i was at early this year it became

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obvious that it was like probably the

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one of the most viewed things we've made

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and then it became less about the

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finances and more about well the

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audience is clearly there for it

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and um and i had already come up with

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story ideas for on the trail of ufos

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an episodic series and they would be

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um so we we dark sky was the first i

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west virginia than it is fly all over

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um so i knew i wanted to continue it but

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how exactly we would and it was then

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just trying to figure out what the best

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right right how about for you shannon

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like uh you when all you guys went all

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while now i've done

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several tv shows and everything but

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i have never had that many people reach

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until after on the trail of ufos

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premiered i can't tell you how many

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people like

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emailed me and said whoa i just saw you

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was like wow

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more people than any cable network can

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or anything like that so the fact that

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you did this independently

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and it's reached more people and opened

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more minds to ufos than like

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um yeah shen what did you think were you

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and look at ufos after the first series

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no i mean harassing seth is one of my my

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joys in life really

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you know when we're out on the road but

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i mean and i'm just i'm really i'm one

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of the guys i am a damn fool

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and seth can tell you that uh i'm a huge

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idiot and i don't mind

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you know making fun of myself and others

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was and as amazing as the first season

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was and to go to all those places

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see you i mean places that i had never

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people that i'd never met the fact that

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and i'm i mean legitimately i'm very

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excited for people to see this

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and for us to and i'm sure we'll be

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talking about this but

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to film the second part of the second

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season one and we're really getting past

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the ufo kind of 101 stuff

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and now we're trying to dig a whole lot

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deeper and uh pun intended i guess

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excited for everybody to see it

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awesome yeah it really does bring i

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think on the trail of ufos back to what

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the phenomenon and vice versa and this

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people who don't look at ufo history

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single day in my life they might not

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early stuff happened here i mean some of

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our most famous cases

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famous lore the men in black being one

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and in indra cold which we will get into

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you guys started the film in um exactly

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um for whatever that's worth and that's

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um man what a dramatic ufo sighting to

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start the film out with what did you

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guys think about this story that uh

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kenneth had to tell you and could you

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maybe just walk us through it

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a little bit and uh your initial

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impressions and what you walked away

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from the beginning was one there were

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sighting stories and shannon will

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probably want to talk about this a

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little bit too because her and kenneth

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sighting stories going into this that i

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play sort of like pivotal roles i

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originally thought they'd be bookends

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our anonymous witness story but the

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interesting thing about both of these

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stories

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is that they're featured in bob teat's

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mountain state ufo case book

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which is like this little known ufo case

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book that compiles all these really

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fascinating

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sightings from the state and

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um so kenneth yeah kenneth basically

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of of a week back in if i remember right

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it's like the 1980s but maybe shannon

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sightings of a like a diamond-shaped

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that appeared across from his house over

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this hill

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over this power line um and he got the

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impression that this thing was actually

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like leeching energy off of this

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power line um it happened i think they

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of like how it went but his whole family

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um there was an event as well during the

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same week where he encountered some sort

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of

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hazmat suited individual in the forest

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behind his house

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um that's super fascinating and it all

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sort of points to

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a bigger picture um

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for ufos not just in the state of west

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virginia but in

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in you know around the country and

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around the world i guess as well

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and that is this idea of ufos and energy

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um you know energy as a source or

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whatever it is there's there's a

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definitely correlation and it's

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interesting some of the people that

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we've shown the movie to already

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already have reached out with like their

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own input

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on like some some of the the lines we're

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drawing in the movie

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um and i've also seen some reviews

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where like people aren't they've never

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there was one review that came out like

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a week ago and they legitimately

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couldn't tell

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if we had faked all this they they were

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under the assumption that this

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might be like a fictional movie because

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of the final

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sort of connection we're making between

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the sightings

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um because it's so i guess to someone

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from the outside it seems so bizarre

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but anyone that's been looking into ufos

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for any length of time has already made

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that

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lot you know drawn those lines for

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themselves so um

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it's a really cool sequence the coolest

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thing about that sequence is

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um first of all that kenneth was able to

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tell his story to us and do it

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in such a i mean she in and really had a

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bear of a time

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calming him down and making sure like he

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was comfortable on camera because he had

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no intention of going on camera at any

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point to tell the story

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so she had to really talk him through

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that whole process

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um and the other thing is like santino's

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effects in that scene are so cool

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like i really love the little like ufo

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over the power line shots and stuff it

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just

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is such a nice like it has like a

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spielberg vibe to it that i really dig

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and um there's also at some point i want

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to go back to something you said earlier

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about this

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being going back to like the roots of

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what stm is

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um i don't know if we want to talk about

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that yeah yeah

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absolutely man it's such a like i've

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been told um

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like heather that that does all our

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research did all the research on this

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movie and everything

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this is her favorite stm movie and she

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said it's like the quintessential small

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town monsters movie because it's like

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jumping from

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small town to small town and even though

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we don't get into like the history of

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these places necessarily you're getting

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like especially wheeling like the

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sequence with

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shannon and i and matt and wheeling and

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mass just like this local restaurant

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owner

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talking about wheeling west virginia

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it's such a cool little

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that's like what i pictured when i

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pictured small town monsters

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so it's just weird to do that within on

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the trail of because

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with on the trail it kind of exists

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outside of that but

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it's cool to get back to those routes

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for me shannon can talk now

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cool i don't see why i need to

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well the the the i'm glad you brought

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that up seth because like

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i know it's hard to get witnesses to

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let alone speak you know in email

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or you know even on a podcast but then

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to put your face on camera

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it's a whole other ball game and you

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could tell that guy was

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pretty shaken up by these experiences

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and while you know as a viewer who might

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be whoa cool

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like ufo's sucking the energy off a

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power line like

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he was a kid when this happened if i'm

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correct and like

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this traumatized him so what was that

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like like trying to get

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a witness to really i guess bear their

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soul with this really

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unusual story well and it's important to

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mention that

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where that is filmed is the exact

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location of his sighting

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right which to me was huge and striking

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and

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you know another part of that story is

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and you know

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obviously we're giving some things away

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but folks are going to watch it here

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pretty quickly

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is that they you know he shot at the

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thing at some point

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him and maybe one of the neighbors seth

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or his brother um

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that is how traumatized he was but for

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me

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and i've said this before probably ad

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nauseam is i'd like to come at it from

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the the human side of it

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and the the personal side how did it

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affect you you know did you sleep for

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you know 10 years after that what

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happened after that so

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when he was reticent to talk on camera

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i actually just kind of fell into my my

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itf role

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and i'm like uh we can we can do this

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kenneth like

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you're good man you got this and it it

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worked

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and it it was like

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seth already said like i i did i loved

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kenneth i don't know why i just felt

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this kinship with him

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and we actually got to see him for a

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second

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time uh that you'll see him in the movie

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in two different locations and that is

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two different

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trips and that is of course the the

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bowdoin

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or bowden cave i i never say that

440
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properly

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for that scene and i i hugged kenneth

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before i left because i there was just

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something about kenneth to me

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and i was also very proud of him for

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deciding to to be on camera and tell

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that harrowing story

447
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it's not easy yeah one thing i should

448
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point out too

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is the the first season is definitely

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like

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really proud of what we did

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with the first season the first season

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doesn't

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i think the second this dark sky really

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placed a shannon's

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strong suit and that is talking to the

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witnesses and getting stories from

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people

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um you know the first season is so

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invested in kind of relaying the history

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of ufos up to present day and i think

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that was a

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really important first chapter but for

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us i think the series and this isn't

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like

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i i didn't intentionally do this we

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never talked about doing this but it

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does feel like in a way like the series

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is a response to

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the current state of ufology especially

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like ufology entertainment because it is

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so focused on

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you know like the the disclosure stuff

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and and what's going on in the pentagon

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and and military sightings and all that

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and all that stuff super

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fascinating and but but this is very

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much focused on these smaller scale

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sightings that occur in regional

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locations and

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and what might be tying them together if

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anything

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um but i think to me it feel it does

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feel like a bit of a response

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which i think a lot of what we do feels

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like a response intentional or not

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yeah which i think is refreshing seth i

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mean again like

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you guys know me i'm all about people

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who've had

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experiences and those get overshadowed

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by everything else going

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on yeah it's cool to hear about like

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military ufo encounters it

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legitimizes the topic it's exciting you

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know

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coming up against these ufos and don't

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know what they are

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yeah that's concerning but i think it's

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also important to

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show that for every one of those

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military encounters there's a hundred

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people

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in west virginia in chicago in detroit

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and

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wherever like having these experiences

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everyday people

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and again that's why i love that you

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guys put the microscope on these people

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in west virginia and um

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one of those people was actually susan

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shepard who uh

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unfortunately passed away recently but

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you guys were able to probably get one

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of the last interviews

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with her which was really interesting so

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would you guys mind telling us a little

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about who she was and

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kind of her role in all of this in west

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virginia

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um yeah well uh susan

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i had it's funny i'd i'd been aware of

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susan because i traveled through west

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virginia i was just there over the

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weekend filming i'm i feel like i'm

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probably i know i'm in west virginia

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more than any other state including my

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own

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like in terms of filming um we know

530
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i probably know more people in west

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virginia that are involved in

532
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the paranormal than i do in ohio like

533
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it's it's

534
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my home away from home someday it'll be

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my home

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um but susan was someone who i met

537
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um while we were making mothman legacy

538
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and i

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i had wanted to meet her for for years

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it just had never

541
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happened um but we really hit it off

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when we were making that movie

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and one of the stories she had told

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during the filming was about

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her encounters with men in black and

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injured cold and i say this but this is

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unfortunate

548
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one of the things that was cut from the

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movie are some of the additional stories

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she has about

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like brushes with the men in black

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because there were other events that

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happened later in life and

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there just wasn't enough time in the

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movie to get to those but

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um i had known because of that that i

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wanted susan involved in this she also

558
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had such a

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vast knowledge of every aspect

560
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of the strange and unusual in in the

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state of west virginia

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that she was like you you'd be

563
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,360
you'd be an idiot to pass her over you

564
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,960
know in a movie like this you have to

565
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,480
have her involved to help flesh

566
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everything out

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we were extremely lucky

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because her health had already started

569
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:12,640
to decline at that point

570
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:16,320
and she was aware she had cancer um

571
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:19,520
and when we interviewed her it was

572
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,960
um the interview and how we got it was a

573
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,960
testament to who she was

574
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,600
because we were without a location to

575
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,600
film the interview we had actually we

576
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,360
heather was like stretching trying to

577
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:33,280
find us a spot to film because it's very

578
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,000
difficult

579
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:36,960
at that point um which was last november

580
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:38,320
so you're kind of like the height of

581
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:39,120
covid

582
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,320
we're trying to get you know we're

583
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,039
trying to get a filming location

584
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,919
um and it was it was extremely difficult

585
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:47,840
heather called the oil and gas

586
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,640
museum down there and mentioned that we

587
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,400
needed to do an interview and they said

588
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,960
no at first and then she mentioned susan

589
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,960
and as soon as she said susan's name the

590
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,880
guy said oh it's for susan we'll do

591
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:00,240
anything for her.

592
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,360
and so like she was she was an amazing

593
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,559
person

594
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,080
i got to hang out with her three times

595
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:08,480
and every time i was struck by

596
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:11,760
her her knowledge

597
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,039
but her her like her kindness and then

598
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,360
um the other thing that gets overlooked

599
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,400
is she was like a really

600
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,880
amazing artist like um she was an

601
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,520
amazing painter she she was a poet

602
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:27,039
um she kind of exemplifies everything

603
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,840
that i love

604
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,960
about the people of west virginia and so

605
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,720
for me like it was a no-brainer to

606
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:34,480
dedicate the movie to her

607
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,600
but um i remember when she died it hit

608
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,039
me pretty hard and i think shannon was

609
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:40,960
one of the first people

610
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,480
i told or reached out to about it um so

611
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:47,520
so it's great to have her stories in

612
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,240
there

613
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,840
you know about it because it speaks to

614
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,600
her family history so we're doing at

615
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,280
least something to help document some of

616
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,960
her family stories the sightings of the

617
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,799
ufos the men in black encounter that she

618
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,080
had as a kid

619
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:01,840
but um i think i'm more

620
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,880
i'm happier that we had a part in

621
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,760
maybe putting her on a larger stage for

622
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,480
some people

623
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,320
over the course of mothman legacy in

624
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:12,799
this movie because she really

625
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:16,320
she was a a huge figure in in west

626
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,360
virginia history

627
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,400
just folklore and history in general

628
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,720
that's cool yeah shannon was what was it

629
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,400
like working with her i mean

630
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,000
again she just had such a wealth of

631
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:29,039
knowledge of not only west virginia but

632
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,480
some of the most famous things to have

633
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,799
happened there i was so excited to meet

634
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:33,600
her

635
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,679
passing on

636
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,159
i would still have said i am i was just

637
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,919
so lucky to be in her presence

638
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,840
and then after seth texts me and said

639
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,360
that she had passed i was

640
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:47,760
i was really blown away by that and

641
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,400
susan and i

642
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,159
actually had a couple of you know

643
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:52,000
private moments in between filming and

644
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,520
after filming and

645
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,760
like says she's just such a warm human

646
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,799
being and

647
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,720
people down in west virginia really are

648
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,919
just

649
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,919
amazing and different and different in a

650
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,120
wonderful way and

651
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,240
susan really embodied that but she

652
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,480
also embodied the whole thing where ryan

653
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,760
is somebody that you would have loved to

654
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,360
have talked to because

655
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,080
seth was mentioning her personal stories

656
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:15,520
and that included

657
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,039
a bus i think of kids or a church bus

658
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,559
over her childhood home and

659
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,039
they saw a ufo over her home she of

660
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,720
course had the experiences with the men

661
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,120
in black and then her own grandmother

662
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,400
had a ufo sighting which she

663
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,480
labeled them tokens she said they look

664
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:35,600
like tokens

665
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,080
which is i mean that just harkens right

666
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,240
back to kenneth arnold right like the

667
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:42,000
saucers and you don't know what else to

668
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,360
call them she called them tokens and

669
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,720
that was her grandmother

670
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,039
so you're talking about a family that

671
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,720
had these experiences

672
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,799
just running right through their veins

673
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,400
right from when she was a kid

674
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,559
so she lived and breathed this stuff and

675
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:56,480
it was wonderful to talk to her

676
00:23:00,549 --> 00:23:00,000
that's that speaks to the that token

677
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,559
thing

678
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:04,080
speaks to the wealth of sightings that

679
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,880
take place

680
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,200
in that state because you watch that

681
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,200
movie and you might be like okay well

682
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,480
susan's recounting

683
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,320
these stories from her grandma and her

684
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,320
family because she's a ufo

685
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,480
slash paranormal person so of course

686
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,840
like these stories are

687
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,679
she's you know like she's probably been

688
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,960
funneled them or something

689
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,880
but the fact is like it doesn't matter

690
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:24,960
where you go in west virginia

691
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,760
if you bring up ufos for the most part

692
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:29,919
people have stories and i found that

693
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:34,000
in braxton county back in 2018 and 2017

694
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,280
when we were filming the flatwoods

695
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,480
monster the most

696
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,159
interesting stories that came to me

697
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,679
while i was filming that movie weren't

698
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,799
from

699
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,799
like ed and fred may although the story

700
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:44,559
the flatwoods monster stories was great

701
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,200
but

702
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,919
they were these stories from uh this

703
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,840
girl whose grandma and grandpa lived in

704
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,600
the hills outside of braxton county

705
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,440
who'd seen like ufos laying behind their

706
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,120
house and like all sorts of stuff

707
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,240
these were totally like normal just you

708
00:24:00,470 --> 00:24:00,159
know folk that lived out in the country

709
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:00,480
but

710
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,080
everyone's got everyone will tell you

711
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,159
some sort of story there about seeing

712
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,360
something in the sky

713
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:10,240
it is i can almost guarantee and if they

714
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640
don't

715
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,400
immediately recall it they'll come up

716
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:14,320
with it later and remind to remind them

717
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,799
they'll

718
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,000
come and remind you of it right yeah i i

719
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,480
honestly feel like that that area is

720
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:22,640
intrinsically linked to these phenomena

721
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,200
i mean

722
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,440
you mentioned flatwoods monster we've

723
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:26,640
also got

724
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,240
you know um mothman obviously we've got

725
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,000
the men in black phenomenon you got

726
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,919
injured cold like everything you can

727
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:34,880
think of

728
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,159
kind of like started in this area

729
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,760
and i thought that was amazing you do

730
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,000
cover flatwoods in the movie as well

731
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,480
again which was really cool to revisit

732
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,159
that entire case but um

733
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,840
one of the other ones i really wanted to

734
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,440
touch on with you guys was

735
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:52,320
men in black you did a pretty extensive

736
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,559
and

737
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,520
in-depth section in the movie about the

738
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,120
men in black and kind of like

739
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:59,200
how this became a big thing in west

740
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,240
virginia so

741
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,880
what was that like diving into you know

742
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,200
the the folklore behind all of this

743
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,880
and the possible reality of it being

744
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:11,039
being real i guess would be the best way

745
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:12,320
to put it shannon what did you think

746
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,720
about

747
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,159
covering the men in black did you ever

748
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,159
think you'd do that

749
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,240
i i mean i knew that we would at some

750
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,080
point because you can't talk about ufos

751
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
without talking about men in black but

752
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:24,080
i i just keep waiting for the black car

753
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,720
to pull up

754
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,200
and the men in the suits you know i'm

755
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,200
hoping maybe after night visitors is

756
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,799
done maybe we

757
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,000
they're gonna go you're digging a little

758
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:34,240
bit too deep now we haven't had that yet

759
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:34,720
but

760
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,840
yeah the stories of the men in black and

761
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,799
you know to go back to susan again she

762
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,320
encountered them at one point

763
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,240
in the woods i think behind her house i

764
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,720
mean what in the world who are they what

765
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,760
are they and

766
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,039
the fact that i think it was joe perdue

767
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,919
and ron lanham we also touched on on

768
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,480
them

769
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,720
a little bit with those guys you know

770
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,159
they just

771
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,559
it's kind of like um some kind of a

772
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,240
demonic presence where they don't

773
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,320
quite form right they can't speak right

774
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,840
they can't they just can't do

775
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,520
right there's just something a little

776
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,880
bit off about them

777
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,679
i think it was uh joe said you know they

778
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,880
can't really just

779
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,840
you write a something down properly and

780
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:16,640
they can't

781
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,720
just a little bit off about these guys

782
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,320
and they try really hard

783
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,080
but it's a little bit weird so and i

784
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,840
think that was something that also came

785
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,400
up when

786
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,880
we chatted with mark muncie of erie

787
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:29,840
florida

788
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,440
uh over skype about men in black and his

789
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:36,240
injured cold side of things so you know

790
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,559
there

791
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,679
are still stories coming out about these

792
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,520
men in black

793
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:44,000
yeah and you know we've heard throughout

794
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,440
the decades of like

795
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,240
oh were these air force people that were

796
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,919
putting on these suits and going and

797
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,600
just messing with people like it was

798
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,880
kind of your like

799
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,159
you know initiation into the whatever

800
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,240
air force special investigations like

801
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,000
you got to go to this house

802
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,799
and just f with this person's mind like

803
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,200
just

804
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,080
talk weird act weird um tell him it's

805
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,840
going to be 40-minute meeting

806
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,760
and it's exactly 40 minutes to the

807
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,600
second like you mentioned in the film

808
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,520
um a lot of people think that it was

809
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,360
just you know the government messing

810
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,880
with people and then some people think

811
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:17,600
they're

812
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,520
interdimensional beings so

813
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,760
seth what do you make of the whole mega

814
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,799
black thing

815
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,640
it's interesting the men in black in

816
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,399
some ways i think are like

817
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,520
most most people's introduction to the

818
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:33,360
weirder side of ufology

819
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,679
because i remember like my

820
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,600
my first experience learning about the

821
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,279
men in black was through the mothman

822
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,640
prophecies

823
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,760
and it's it on the surface it does have

824
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,120
such a like mundane

825
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,679
kind of appearance to it right it seems

826
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,120
it just seems like your classic kind of

827
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,480
like air force

828
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,200
misinformation campaign you know and you

829
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,520
there's there's also the mental

830
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,480
image we we draw up of a man in black

831
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,000
based on like the the will

832
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,960
smith movie um but when you get into the

833
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,159
weirder side

834
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,120
of uh the men in black it seems to fly

835
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,120
in the face of that idea

836
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,760
um so i had wanted to cover it

837
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,919
extensively at some point because when

838
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,880
we made the mothman

839
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,240
point pleasant that movie is only like

840
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,679
an hour and seven minutes and we didn't

841
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:21,679
spend a ton of time on the men in black

842
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,480
despite

843
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,360
the fact that they were very integral to

844
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,480
to the 66

845
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,679
67 wave of sightings um and

846
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,679
you know like i think we overlook men

847
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,520
and black have been become such a part

848
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:34,880
of like pop culture

849
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,320
and ufology that um

850
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,159
you know we might forget that the

851
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,840
origins kind of lie

852
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,600
in the mountain state i mean i i realize

853
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:45,039
there's other men and black stories that

854
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:46,240
exist outside of there that might

855
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,279
predate

856
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,919
you know the 66 67 stuff but when you

857
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,000
think of where what they're tied to

858
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,679
at least initially it was them it was

859
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,600
the mothman and the mothman case

860
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,720
and i've talked to more men

861
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,919
and black witnesses from point

862
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,880
pleasant than i've talked to mothman

863
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,480
witnesses in point pleasant

864
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,440
like more people saw men in black around

865
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,559
that area than

866
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,640
there were mothman because the men in

867
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,919
black are just showing up and hanging

868
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,840
out on the street corner i mean

869
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,399
they were there and a lot of people

870
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:19,760
encountered them

871
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,840
um i i was excited to explore that

872
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,799
i was also really excited to find that

873
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,440
muncie's story kind of

874
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,200
at least a little bit tied the two

875
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,559
together and then to have

876
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,720
susan kind of hint at the fact that she

877
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,640
believes that injured cold was a man in

878
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,240
black to begin with

879
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,919
um i thought that was kind of an

880
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,360
interesting connection

881
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,240
too so it was like it all kind of it all

882
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,440
kind of aligned

883
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:49,120
if you want it to you know you don't

884
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,320
necessarily have to make those

885
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,000
correlations if you don't

886
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:54,080
you don't think they exist but but some

887
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:55,520
people do so

888
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:59,520
um i was i was happy to

889
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,960
to get into that side of the subject

890
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,080
especially

891
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,080
in the state of west virginia if i could

892
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,679
go back

893
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,279
i think what i would have done if i

894
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,200
could go back to dark sky i do this with

895
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,960
every movie like i start picking apart

896
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,000
after it's over

897
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,480
but like if i could if i could do if i

898
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,200
could go back

899
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,320
or if i could film a dark sky too i

900
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:21,919
would which wouldn't make any sense but

901
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:22,320
if i

902
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,200
pleasant and interview

903
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,279
more of the men and black witnesses like

904
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,279
i think i would want a larger focus

905
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,000
on the men in black because i think that

906
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:35,520
phenomenon speaks to the

907
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,799
to the larger topic that we're covering

908
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,720
and i think it's gonna come into play

909
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,200
in some way maybe not overtly but i

910
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,799
think it's gonna come into play in night

911
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,840
visitors which is

912
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,520
you know the follow-up that we're

913
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:48,880
working on next

914
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,919
um so it's

915
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,440
i was just happy to tell the men in

916
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:55,440
black story i love like i've talked

917
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,480
before that i love

918
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,679
like that cold war era like ufology that

919
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,880
the cover-ups and

920
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,640
and the government stuff i love like the

921
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:04,720
mj-12 stuff that was like

922
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,840
when i was first getting into all this

923
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,240
ufos were more of my passion than

924
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,919
bigfoot was at the time

925
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,919
and mj 12 was like one of the things i

926
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,360
looked into first

927
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:18,480
and i realized that everyone's got sides

928
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,120
on this but

929
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:21,679
i i just love the idea of it like i love

930
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,399
that era

931
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,799
and the and and the visuals that it it

932
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,320
kind of brings to mind if i ever make

933
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,919
like a fictional

934
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,399
ufo movie that is the era where i'll set

935
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,080
it absolutely i think

936
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,960
you know the whole spooks and kooks and

937
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,240
like you said cold war

938
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,080
like i think that's where the project

939
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,919
blue book television show

940
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,360
really shined like a lot of people

941
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,200
didn't like it because it kind of

942
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:45,840
you know over exaggerated everything but

943
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,320
um

944
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:49,519
man just that time period is so

945
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,640
integral to this entire flying saucer

946
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,640
craze and where we are today it truly

947
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,919
started in the atomic

948
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,799
age and um it's fascinating i am so

949
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,320
happy you guys covered that

950
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,399
but um well let's talk about let's talk

951
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,519
about davis

952
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:06,159
for a minute now this was cool it wasn't

953
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,799
you know

954
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,240
you guys weren't just going around

955
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,480
interviewing people you put yourselves

956
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,240
in the shoes of the witnesses and you

957
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,600
said i'm gonna go

958
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,519
do a sky watch and we're gonna try to

959
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,799
actually hunt

960
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,679
for ufos and uh without giving away too

961
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,799
much of the film

962
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:23,600
um what was it like doing a sky watch

963
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,159
out there

964
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,320
and would you uh what'd you walk away

965
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,720
thinking shan i know this kind of

966
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,200
kind of affected you greatly in the film

967
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,200
um again you don't have to tell too much

968
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,640
if you don't want to but

969
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,880
yeah how was it going out for sky watch

970
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,799
there it was cold as shaisa

971
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,000
was it it was yeah our nuggets

972
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,679
off man no that place is gorgeous uh

973
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,080
boulders everywhere you know it would be

974
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,000
like some kind of a a fae

975
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,159
nightmare if they're you know rfa in

976
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,480
that area boulders and and water and

977
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:55,840
things and trees

978
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,159
no but going out to dolly sauce was

979
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,200
absolutely incredible and i mean yeah

980
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,039
how much do we want to give away about

981
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,840
i would i would just talk about it shana

982
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,559
i would just

983
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,080
talk about it because like it's in the

984
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,840
mood i still feel like in the movie it's

985
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,360
kind of vague as to what happened so i

986
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:14,559
would just talk about it

987
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,559
that is true it is slightly vague yes

988
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,159
somewhere in the sky is exclusive we're

989
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,600
getting it thank you

990
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,640
that is right you're welcome everyone no

991
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:27,919
um yeah i mean you know and

992
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,960
to be honest it it's more of a ufo

993
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,799
sighting that

994
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,919
that really i would probably like start

995
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,880
snoring and

996
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,159
fall asleep with i mean if i heard

997
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:42,000
anybody else probably tell it but when

998
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,200
you see it

999
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,600
because it was the quintessential light

1000
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,279
in the sky la la la

1001
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,320
but it was myself and matthew shang of

1002
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,200
the moth boys

1003
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,559
podcast and we

1004
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,880
he just goes hey look at that up there

1005
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,080
and i look

1006
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,600
and it is a kind of a bluish

1007
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,159
whitish light and i see it immediately

1008
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:05,519
he didn't even really have to point it

1009
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,159
out

1010
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:09,599
that that specifically to me and

1011
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,440
it's moving extremely fast

1012
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,919
way faster than a conventional aircraft

1013
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:16,960
could fly

1014
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,480
at least that we know of and it it

1015
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,520
kind of was shooting down towards

1016
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,560
the the horizon and it just

1017
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,000
disappeared we're like what the hell

1018
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:30,720
where did that go where what is going on

1019
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,240
and then it reappears again and it's

1020
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:35,119
making this

1021
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,800
crazy fast motion again and going

1022
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,760
this is craz this is bs what is going on

1023
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:43,200
here and we're just we're really trying

1024
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,320
to watch it

1025
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:47,599
and at that point uh andrew

1026
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,520
our uh our dp was he was filming

1027
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,720
and he's he's also getting some activity

1028
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,440
as well and

1029
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,040
you know that actually that is real

1030
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,359
footage that we we got that you will see

1031
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,480
in dark sky

1032
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,400
that's what andrew captured and that's

1033
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,240
exactly what was going on it was like

1034
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,160
the night sky was just like

1035
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,760
hey you guys wanna see a show we're

1036
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,119
gonna yeah we're gonna show you guys

1037
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,480
what's going on here

1038
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,960
and i was really blown away just because

1039
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,480
the fact that and we were making

1040
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,160
those are the live comparisons that's

1041
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:17,680
not a recreation

1042
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,960
of going that is not a plane there is no

1043
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,119
way there could be a human being

1044
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,359
as again as far as we know in an

1045
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:27,200
aircraft or in any kind of craft

1046
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:31,839
making that that kind of a trajectory

1047
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,000
taking on those those g's like that um

1048
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,880
it's it's really like i said if if i was

1049
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,920
taking

1050
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,680
this report from somebody in my show i

1051
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,000
go i hope they're gonna spice it up you

1052
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:45,440
know because this is a little bit of a

1053
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,320
snoozefest

1054
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,960
but when you see it for yourself it's

1055
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,960
very exciting so finally

1056
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,359
out at dolly sods dolly sauce produced

1057
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,480
shannon's first

1058
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:57,200
official ufo sighting so that was

1059
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,079
amazing

1060
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,480
love it now you could say you have been

1061
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,160
in their shoes like literally

1062
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,160
it is a game changer for sure you have

1063
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,480
to watch dark sky that i find about my

1064
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:09,359
missing time and my sword

1065
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:14,370
yes yeah yeah exactly the real story

1066
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,790
hey guys ryan spreck here when i'm not

1067
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,079
making podcasts

1068
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:25,119
i am listening to them seriously i'm

1069
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,079
obsessed

1070
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:28,720
and if there's one person and one show i

1071
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,359
turn to

1072
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,920
every week to hear stories of the

1073
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,640
strange

1074
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:35,680
the weird and the unexplained it's of

1075
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,240
course

1076
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,599
gotta be jim harold's campfire with over

1077
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,119
500 episodes

1078
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:44,000
den of geek called jim herald's campfire

1079
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,480
the

1080
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,520
best tool we have currently in existence

1081
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,920
to hear real-life scary stories from

1082
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,359
other human beings

1083
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,880
since the actual campfire was invented

1084
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,599
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

1085
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:00,079
to other regular folks and strange stuff

1086
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,520
that's happened to them

1087
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,200
and yes that includes ufos and uaps

1088
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,320
along with cryptids ghosts and true

1089
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,720
head-scratching mysteries one of my

1090
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,800
all-time favorite stories is one where a

1091
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,400
woman almost ended up being

1092
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:17,440
absorbed by a painting in a mysterious

1093
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,000
bar

1094
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,160
that seemed like something straight out

1095
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,440
of the twilight zone

1096
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,680
or there's the story of a young man who

1097
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:24,640
encountered a

1098
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,160
spider-like creature with baby hands

1099
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,079
then there's the story of a woman in

1100
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,920
england who encountered what she

1101
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,640
thought was a banshee only to suffer a

1102
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,000
horrible tragedy

1103
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,359
only moments later no not all

1104
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,920
of the stories in jim harold's campfire

1105
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,200
are horrifying

1106
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,520
some are actually pretty heartwarming

1107
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:47,920
like a visit from a past loved one

1108
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,280
or a peaceful near-death experience

1109
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,520
regardless there are true and

1110
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,359
fascinating stories told

1111
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,760
by ordinary people who've had

1112
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:58,960
extraordinary

1113
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,800
experiences so pull up a virtual log

1114
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,839
get cozy and tune in to jim harold's

1115
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:06,960
campfire

1116
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,240
available on apple podcasts spotify

1117
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:12,400
or wherever you listen to somewhere in

1118
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,040
the skies

1119
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,760
seth mentioned earlier the um the coal

1120
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:23,839
mines i have to ask about this

1121
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,280
now you know yeah in ufo history you

1122
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,440
know we have all these cases about

1123
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,440
ufos being cited over nuclear

1124
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,040
installations and

1125
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,000
and um you know over water a lot is

1126
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,359
another big one these

1127
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,400
usos but um in the film you guys make

1128
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,760
some interesting

1129
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,400
comparisons to uh the coal mines of west

1130
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,320
virginia which was a big thing

1131
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,079
in a lot of the towns in west virginia

1132
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,480
it was the lifeblood of a lot of these

1133
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,359
these towns that were also experiencing

1134
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:55,599
high amounts of ufo activity so

1135
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,359
um so a what were the connections that

1136
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,040
you guys were trying to make with those

1137
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,160
in b what was it like actually going to

1138
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,280
a cave and investigating again this you

1139
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,440
guys went all out for this one so

1140
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,839
yeah well that that cave too that that

1141
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,240
cave does connect to a mine um

1142
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,560
it's on the other side but it's it's

1143
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,079
difficult to tell because that cave

1144
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,800
that cave is apparently massive um and

1145
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,400
one of our crew had something really

1146
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,920
weird happening there so we might be

1147
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,119
going back at some point to do a

1148
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:26,960
hauntings in there

1149
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:30,720
but um the so the interesting thing

1150
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,160
there's a couple of things um one is

1151
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,960
that cave thing is or that mine thing is

1152
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,240
holding true

1153
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,640
beyond west virginia i'm probably not

1154
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,400
gonna go too deep into this but we've

1155
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,839
already started doing the same thing in

1156
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,440
other states and it's holding true

1157
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,839
in colorado especially um where there's

1158
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,760
like a thousand mines per

1159
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:51,440
county or something crazy but the

1160
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,640
interesting thing about west virginia

1161
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,839
and sightings near coal mines is

1162
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,520
um the fact that that happens in areas

1163
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:02,640
that aren't

1164
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,839
known for coal mining so what you're

1165
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,440
going to hear when the movie comes out

1166
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,720
are people saying well

1167
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,000
obviously there's going to be a

1168
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,680
preponderance of reports in your coal

1169
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,560
mines because

1170
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,839
there's coal mines everywhere in the

1171
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:15,280
state of west virginia but that's not

1172
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,920
true

1173
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,920
like there are there are there's a huge

1174
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,760
number of coal coal mines in the state

1175
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,760
of west virginia but they're not

1176
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,440
they're not everywhere and there are

1177
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,520
certain parts of the state that

1178
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:28,079
have a larger number of mines than other

1179
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,720
parts

1180
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,280
braxton county is not known for coal

1181
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,400
mining

1182
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,160
i don't know i i think that has to do

1183
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,599
with the fact that the railroad runs

1184
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,960
through there that's what they told us

1185
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,760
when we were there

1186
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,160
however there happens to have been a

1187
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:43,119
mine that was opened up in 1952

1188
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,319
okay so so like it just so happens that

1189
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,760
that's the same here the flatwoods

1190
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:48,720
happen so there's

1191
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,920
there's like little weird lines you can

1192
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,599
draw between those things

1193
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,040
um we don't know what any of that means

1194
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,319
if anything we're just looking for for

1195
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,480
connecting points between the two and

1196
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,160
that's that seems to be

1197
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,839
and at least with the state of west

1198
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,560
virginia that was the most noticeable

1199
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,200
correlation that you could draw between

1200
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,040
the sightings that happened

1201
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,160
and coal mines the other one that didn't

1202
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,839
make it into the movie is religious

1203
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,560
centers

1204
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,599
so um church sightings near churches

1205
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:24,720
um like that that's a really common

1206
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:25,040
thing

1207
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,880
like that there's a lot of that in west

1208
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,680
virginia too

1209
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
again you know like i guess technically

1210
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,280
you could say you're near the bible belt

1211
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,400
so you can you can say

1212
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,839
it's not that surprising especially

1213
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,440
given the number of churches within the

1214
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,880
state of west virginia but

1215
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,960
those are the two two most obvious

1216
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,480
connecting points between

1217
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,280
like if you're looking for these this is

1218
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,640
the huge number of sightings

1219
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,240
what connects those sightings those are

1220
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,079
the two things now people

1221
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,319
want to talk more about like the

1222
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,319
sightings near the chemical valley

1223
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,119
or nuclear plants or things like that

1224
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,319
plants that might

1225
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:00,560
manufacture the individual components

1226
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:01,520
for nuclear

1227
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,200
uh nuclear stuff but

1228
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,200
um that's not where the predominant

1229
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,560
number of reports are happening they're

1230
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,680
happening near

1231
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,880
you know if you're if you're trying to

1232
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,720
look at the at the largest number of

1233
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,400
sightings that's what they align with

1234
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,760
are the the minds um and what's funny is

1235
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,720
we started

1236
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,520
this by saying okay well the the largest

1237
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,040
number of sightings actually seemed

1238
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,640
to correlate to energy in general

1239
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,960
and then like we pretty quickly realized

1240
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,160
you could throw that out

1241
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:33,200
and say just coal mines and it still

1242
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,760
worked

1243
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:36,240
like every single sighting every person

1244
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,280
we interviewed

1245
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,920
on this movie had a sighting near a coal

1246
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,640
mine

1247
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,560
and that's i get it like there's a lot

1248
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,960
of coal mining in west virginia

1249
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:47,200
it it's not the case in every single

1250
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,160
county

1251
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,200
and yet it's still held true in those

1252
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,720
places so whatever that means i don't

1253
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,040
know

1254
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,800
we're still working on that shannon's

1255
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,079
gonna go hunt the

1256
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,760
the the goblins in the next project ooh

1257
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,400
nice i can i'm seeing you with the uh

1258
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,160
the pickaxe and the helmet on and

1259
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,599
everything shin

1260
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,839
you're gonna be like zoolander coming

1261
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,480
out of the uh the mine

1262
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:16,309
yeah uh that's you know and we said it

1263
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,880
in film

1264
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,760
this is not a new idea but it's just so

1265
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,560
cool that

1266
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,160
you know we're in these places we're

1267
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,240
talking to these people and we're going

1268
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:27,119
holy holy crap look at what is going on

1269
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:28,160
this is actually

1270
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,000
a thing that is happening this is not um

1271
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:34,000
some fake stuff that we're coming up

1272
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,040
with this

1273
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,200
that is where all of the evidence

1274
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,280
pointed us so there you go

1275
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,440
yeah yeah and again like you have to

1276
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,720
wonder why

1277
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,599
you know why are some ufos going over

1278
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,000
nuclear plants and some are going over

1279
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,480
coal mines like is is the coal mines

1280
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,079
like the poor man's

1281
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,079
alien race you know they're still on

1282
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,520
like fuel

1283
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,119
whereas these other ones have gone

1284
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,040
nuclear like you truly

1285
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,640
i know i'm joking but you do have to

1286
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,599
wonder why certain ufo activity happens

1287
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,760
over water or for nuclear over coal

1288
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,800
mines but um

1289
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,480
that's cool i'm so happy that you guys

1290
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
are just kind of digging into that and

1291
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:12,240
going further because i do believe

1292
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:12,960
there's

1293
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,280
appalachian

1294
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,440
mountains i mean you know it's even

1295
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,960
mentioned in your film it's one of the

1296
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,000
oldest

1297
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,440
like mountain ranges in the world

1298
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,839
and that there's been ufo activity for

1299
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,880
so long so

1300
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,560
what role do you think you know the

1301
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,160
appalachian mountains play in all this

1302
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,240
is it is it a lot bigger than

1303
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,760
we could ever truly expect

1304
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:41,119
i mean i think i think appalachia in

1305
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:41,920
general

1306
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,960
is a hub of weirdness and i say that as

1307
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,880
someone who's now made like

1308
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,599
six of my movies in that area and you

1309
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,599
know multiple on the trail of i mean

1310
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,520
even the journey which

1311
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,680
did not seem like an appalachian movie

1312
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,359
on the trail of bigfoot the journey we

1313
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,280
ended up in appalachia because we ended

1314
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,280
up in western massachusetts and the

1315
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,800
mountain range we were on is the

1316
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,640
northern tip of the appalachian

1317
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,440
mountains

1318
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,720
so like you can't it's almost like if

1319
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,319
you're on the east coast you can't

1320
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,240
escape getting away from

1321
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,119
you know the the appalachian mountains i

1322
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,560
don't know why that is

1323
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,119
but it goes far beyond ufos i mean it's

1324
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,119
just a hub of weirdness in general

1325
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,160
like what whatever whatever you got it's

1326
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,160
it's probably got some sort of history

1327
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,000
in that area it could be the fact that

1328
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:28,079
it's so old i mean i love the idea that

1329
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,560
that's an

1330
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,280
area where those mountains might have

1331
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,640
seen

1332
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:35,119
uh ufo activity long before there were

1333
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,760
people

1334
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:38,160
here you know like like that's such a

1335
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,119
cool

1336
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:42,079
uh concept in my head anyway and i don't

1337
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,400
know

1338
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:46,079
particular area i could make my i can

1339
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,119
make every movie

1340
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:50,160
in appalachia and be happy um because i

1341
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:50,960
grew up

1342
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:54,079
in in appalachia like in my my part of

1343
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,720
ohio

1344
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,760
where i grew up is is you know eastern

1345
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:58,720
ohio

1346
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,240
on the

1347
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,000
myself appalachian

1348
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,560
and and i've talked before it too like

1349
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:09,920
when we were making

1350
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,359
invasion on chestnut ridge i was drawing

1351
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:14,960
off of

1352
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,880
memories of watching tv news reports

1353
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:21,119
from wheeling west virginia i think i

1354
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,640
talked about this with shannon when we

1355
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:24,240
were making the movie i was drawing off

1356
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,480
of

1357
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,920
because because we had a tv with like

1358
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,599
rabbit ears we'd set it on the table and

1359
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,960
then you like tune it in and

1360
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,040
you watch the tv news or whatever we

1361
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,200
would watch the wheeling news station

1362
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,440
and i can remember them doing stories on

1363
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,160
like ufo sightings in the area

1364
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,880
and ghost like ghostly every halloween

1365
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,640
they did a ghost special on

1366
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,520
on the nightly news and i remember

1367
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,440
watching that stuff as a kid and

1368
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,760
being like why is why are why is there

1369
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,680
so much weird crap happening near

1370
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,880
wheeling and like in

1371
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,599
in the ohio valley and i that all ties

1372
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,880
back to appalachia

1373
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,760
i mean honestly end of the day i'm such

1374
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,880
a freak

1375
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,280
and into the stuff i am because i come

1376
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,079
from

1377
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,560
appalachia and you grow up aware of it

1378
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,400
like that's how it is

1379
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,800
that's what happens yeah yeah i love

1380
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,880
that i love that there's such a history

1381
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,000
of weirdness

1382
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,119
and like you've only just begun like

1383
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,359
you know it's really only begun there i

1384
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:20,880
love that we

1385
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:24,559
we could easily um

1386
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,760
we could take the cut material from dark

1387
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:28,720
sky

1388
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,440
could have made like a three hour cut of

1389
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,359
dark sky very easily we interviewed

1390
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,440
16 different people for this movie so

1391
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:38,480
it's like

1392
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,599
minute movie it's

1393
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,040
i don't even know if it's 90 it might be

1394
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:44,880
80 minutes 80 minute movie and there's

1395
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,359
like

1396
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,640
16 individual people and every single

1397
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,319
person has some sort of encounter of

1398
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,680
their own that's what i said about like

1399
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:52,880
we had to cut susan

1400
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,079
shepard's some of her later mib stuff

1401
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,680
out of the movie just because the movie

1402
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:00,079
it didn't fit into the overall arch of

1403
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,200
the story

1404
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,040
but there's so much more like we could

1405
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,240
still get into

1406
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,880
even with what just what we had to cut

1407
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,400
out of the movie let alone if we went

1408
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,800
and interviewed more people like we only

1409
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,680
explored the northern i think the

1410
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,440
northern panhandle of the state

1411
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,160
so we're only up in like the furthest

1412
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,559
south we got was parkersburg

1413
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,559
um so we're we're pretty much just along

1414
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,400
the tip and then up toward like the

1415
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,599
virginia maryland

1416
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:28,960
border areas that's where we are um

1417
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,000
we we never got far south and south

1418
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,760
is where the preponderance of reports

1419
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,119
are um

1420
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,800
and the interesting thing about that is

1421
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,240
south is also where the

1422
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,800
predominant number of coal mines are so

1423
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,760
everything aligns

1424
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:44,240
there we go bringing it back around i

1425
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:44,960
love it

1426
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,160
um and you guys interviewed the

1427
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,800
granddaughter of a project blue book

1428
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,680
person as well which um we'll say for

1429
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,960
for the viewers to watch

1430
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,119
so yeah it's just amazing how much

1431
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:59,599
history is in this one place i love it

1432
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,240
um

1433
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,920
well i do have a couple listener

1434
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,839
questions for you guys if you don't mind

1435
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,680
sticking around for those i'll fire them

1436
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,960
off for you cool

1437
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,319
um let's see trudy over on patreon our

1438
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,400
patreon subscribers get a

1439
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,760
priority to asking you guys questions um

1440
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:18,000
judy asks i'd be curious to know if

1441
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:18,800
there are any

1442
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,880
uh mib cases documented recently

1443
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,880
say in the last five years and if so do

1444
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,160
they share similar

1445
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,800
attributes to historical encounters or

1446
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,800
have they evolved with the times

1447
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,800
have our men in black gotten all like

1448
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,880
gucci'd up and like

1449
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,599
slicked back hair and yeah has anything

1450
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,240
changed with that

1451
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,000
well i mean she should probably be

1452
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,920
asking you ryan you're probably the the

1453
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,520
best guy to ask about that stuff

1454
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,359
i personally haven't heard of any of

1455
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,720
that that new stuff but i don't

1456
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,640
probably dig into it as much as maybe

1457
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:51,760
seth has heard

1458
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,480
of something fresh and new on the mib

1459
00:50:03,190 --> 00:49:59,680
anything seth hold on let me unmute this

1460
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,200
uh yeah like in terms of the mib stuff

1461
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,800
i think there's been a change just

1462
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:07,520
because i think initially there was

1463
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:10,880
there was more of like the the

1464
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,359
bowler hat type reports and like a weird

1465
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,079
um i mean they had the attire of like

1466
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,520
the the era

1467
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,720
whereas today um it's interesting she'd

1468
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,839
asked that because ron

1469
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,480
and joe actually made made the

1470
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,599
connection between

1471
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,960
mib and um

1472
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,800
the reports from around the time of the

1473
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,480
the tic tac

1474
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,839
video and and the uh the

1475
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,599
what was it air force people that showed

1476
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,680
up and confiscated the videos and stuff

1477
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,040
and i thought that was actually like a

1478
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,200
pretty good connection to make so

1479
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,520
that change might be happening you know

1480
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,200
like that's the only thing

1481
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,240
i can think of i don't know if they're

1482
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,800
wearing gucci though yeah

1483
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,480
that's not in the uh the air force

1484
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,920
budget yet yet

1485
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,079
not yet at least but no that's such a

1486
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,520
good point seth yeah there are these

1487
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,599
guys who showed up on the ship

1488
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,480
um didn't say a word um didn't really

1489
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,200
have any

1490
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,240
noticeable you know things or

1491
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,960
symbols on them and took the radar tapes

1492
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:11,599
and

1493
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,520
in black right over there

1494
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:18,559
coming in the photo coming in he's

1495
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:19,280
trying to stay

1496
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,559
just out of frame ah so professional

1497
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,880
um well yeah and i think you know

1498
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,559
yesterday's men in black are probably

1499
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,920
today's like

1500
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,839
these disinformation agents we hear

1501
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,599
about you know a lot of people think

1502
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,800
someone like

1503
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,760
luis elizondo might be a men in black

1504
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,720
like he is

1505
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,520
the new version of that trying to muddy

1506
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,760
the waters and everything or um

1507
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,920
these people like richard are what's his

1508
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,680
name yeah richard dodie

1509
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,280
who went around spreading all these

1510
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:51,119
false lies and was one of the people

1511
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,160
seth who

1512
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:55,359
kind of got the majestic 12 papers out

1513
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,480
there and everything too

1514
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:59,040
so yeah maybe we're dealing with a much

1515
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:00,000
more

1516
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,240
uh less i guess weird and

1517
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,640
bowler hat wearing cadillac driving men

1518
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,160
in black i don't know but

1519
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,680
yeah that was an interesting question by

1520
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,000
trudy um let's see

1521
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,599
um brendan on patreon asks does small

1522
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:17,680
town monsters have any upcoming plans

1523
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,000
for

1524
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,800
field research in missouri we have a lot

1525
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:22,880
of activity going on and momo

1526
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,160
is still at large dang man

1527
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,280
i i actually would love to get back to

1528
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,280
missouri for ufo stuff

1529
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:34,160
um in all seriousness like we when we

1530
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,760
were making

1531
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,000
uh watch the chord buddy when we were

1532
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,200
making momo

1533
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,400
um one of the the ways i did

1534
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,839
uh research for it was to join the the

1535
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:46,960
missouri

1536
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,520
investigation groups on facebook

1537
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,640
and i was like looking into those ufo

1538
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,480
sightings in the area

1539
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,920
um and that that's that's an area that's

1540
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:02,559
a lot like west virginia where they have

1541
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,319
a a ton of activity um

1542
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,480
and yet i feel like it's overlooked like

1543
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,680
missouri

1544
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,880
um a lot of those midwest states they

1545
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:15,119
seem to get overlooked um all the

1546
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,319
activity that happens there

1547
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,680
but i would definitely i would love to

1548
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,319
go back there um i know

1549
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,960
shannon and i have the next location

1550
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:24,559
kind of set

1551
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,160
um and that i mean i don't really it

1552
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,920
we're still working on exactly where but

1553
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,200
we're going to be filming end of

1554
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,960
september on the next one

1555
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,920
and then after that we'll probably

1556
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,160
reconvene and figure out what's up

1557
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,000
next for us where we're going next for

1558
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,920
the series so missouri would definitely

1559
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,359
be an interesting one the other one i

1560
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:45,040
always wanted to cover like with a ufo

1561
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:45,680
connection

1562
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,599
is um we were supposed to make a movie

1563
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,319
after terror in the skies or no it was

1564
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,520
actually one of the movies we were going

1565
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,119
to make instead of terrence guys

1566
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,400
called what is it lucky hill

1567
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,880
there's a place in indiana that's kind

1568
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,880
of like a very condensed version

1569
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,640
of the chestnut ridge where all this

1570
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,640
like weird activity happens in this one

1571
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,839
place

1572
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,440
and it was a location that i learned

1573
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,680
about when we were trying to do research

1574
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,640
for that movie

1575
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,720
and um we ended up making terror in the

1576
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,240
skies instead but yeah

1577
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,760
i would love to get to missouri is the

1578
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,280
short answer

1579
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:22,319
cool awesome coming your way brandon

1580
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,200
coming your way

1581
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,680
um my camera got all blurry oh no it's

1582
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,640
better okay

1583
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,160
awesome yeah

1584
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,319
blob squatch as micah hanks would call

1585
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,079
him

1586
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,839
awesome all right here's our next one

1587
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,200
mothman46 on twitter asks

1588
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,920
i'm a big fan of shannon and seth's work

1589
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,200
i hear they are both

1590
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,160
cool my question to them would be if

1591
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,240
uaps are proven to exist

1592
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,480
and are extraterrestrial how do you

1593
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,280
think it will

1594
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,680
impact the religions of the world as we

1595
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,040
know it

1596
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:57,200
that hypothetical we always hear about

1597
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:58,160
so

1598
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,119
with us the night that shannon had her

1599
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,440
sighting oh my gosh he did not know that

1600
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:07,680
he neglected to tell me that

1601
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,760
he's pretty cool too yeah he's awesome

1602
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:14,000
that's a big question it's a pretty like

1603
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,040
big one yeah

1604
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,640
yeah that's like one of the biggest i

1605
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:18,079
don't know we've talked about this on

1606
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,200
monsteropolis because

1607
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,680
because my co-host is a is a lutheran

1608
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,799
minister

1609
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,160
and i think his thing has always been

1610
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,319
like it would in some ways i think it

1611
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,319
would strengthen the faith of a lot of

1612
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,160
religions i don't know that you would

1613
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,040
see a complete collapse i just never buy

1614
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:35,839
buy into that um i also think one of the

1615
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,880
things we always talked about is like

1616
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,760
most world religions are pretty

1617
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,599
fantastical when you look at them in

1618
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,760
terms of like the content it's already

1619
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,880
kind of

1620
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,799
written into the paranormal is already

1621
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,240
kind of a part of it

1622
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,559
so when you get into ufos it's kind of

1623
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,079
sure it's there

1624
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,000
um so i'm sure there would be some

1625
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,440
impact but i

1626
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,000
i can't i don't know what it would be

1627
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,079
i'm not smart enough guys

1628
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,240
oh stop uh when you guys were talking

1629
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,920
about that on monsteropolis

1630
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,920
uh because i mean mark's just he's a

1631
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,440
sharp guy i mean

1632
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,000
so when you were talking about it you

1633
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,599
know strengthening

1634
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,799
people's resolve in their fate would the

1635
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,559
thinking there then be that well

1636
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,240
god you know whatever you want to call

1637
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,160
god or whoever it is or

1638
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:25,119
she or whoever whatever they created us

1639
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,440
so

1640
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,960
they created the aliens as well like

1641
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,880
we're all like one kind of a

1642
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:31,040
i would assume yeah i would assume that

1643
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,079
is his

1644
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:34,559
his thinking when it comes to that yeah

1645
00:57:09,270 --> 00:56:35,119
i

1646
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,280
was so awkward

1647
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,440
and then finally i could hear him kind

1648
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:12,720
of laughing

1649
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,839
and he just goes no i

1650
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,680
it would only strengthen the power of

1651
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,599
god and what he can create

1652
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,359
and um that was coming from a catholic

1653
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,760
priest and i know a lot of religions

1654
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,400
and um you know leaders of religion not

1655
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:27,680
leaders but you know

1656
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,119
people of faith say yeah like of course

1657
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,520
there's probably endless civilizations

1658
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,119
out there it only shows

1659
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,160
again how powerful your creator is

1660
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,640
so i i've always kind of looked at it

1661
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,839
that way that if we do

1662
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:44,400
find that life if we do find out that

1663
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,880
you know

1664
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:46,799
all these things being seen in west

1665
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,280
virginia are

1666
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:50,799
extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional

1667
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,440
like

1668
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:54,079
it's just it makes everything so much

1669
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,040
more

1670
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,520
complex and powerful if there is a

1671
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,440
higher power that created it all or

1672
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,119
we're all just in a matrix

1673
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,960
and we're seeing the glitches i don't

1674
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,240
know but um

1675
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,440
yeah i don't think it would shake

1676
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:07,119
religion as much as a lot of people

1677
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,680
think

1678
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,599
assess having a glitch right now is your

1679
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:11,359
hou home haunted or what's up oh jeez

1680
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,160
what's going on

1681
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,079
this is the last time i'm gonna sit in

1682
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,760
here is all i know because like i

1683
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,520
this light makes it look like i'm on

1684
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:19,680
fire like i've been consumed

1685
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,760
by fire yeah you're in hell for talking

1686
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,359
about religion in ufos

1687
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,680
man that's the time to go uh investigate

1688
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:28,960
says house i'm coming here

1689
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,079
right now so yeah the next haunting yep

1690
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,440
um awesome here is just two more for you

1691
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,000
guys here

1692
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:38,720
listener questions uh sean on facebook

1693
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,440
asks

1694
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,480
how did it feel shannon to see something

1695
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,440
for yourself finally a ufo has it piqued

1696
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,200
your interest to see another one

1697
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,400
or um do you want to see something again

1698
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:52,000
maybe something more definitive like a

1699
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,559
close-up

1700
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,559
craft or yeah you want to get on that

1701
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:55,680
ship what do you what do you

1702
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,960
what do you think is that uh is it maybe

1703
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,359
my

1704
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,400
might be

1705
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,520
in my face um

1706
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,000
yeah so everybody knows i'm kind of a

1707
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:09,280
cryptid

1708
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,720
random one-off you know story or a

1709
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,599
bigfoot mostly kind of gal and ufos has

1710
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,640
never been

1711
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,200
a passion of mine yes it's interesting

1712
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,280
and i do have plenty of ufo encounter

1713
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,559
stories on

1714
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,760
my show uh so yes

1715
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,559
after seeing essentially that what i'm

1716
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:30,480
assuming is the same ufo twice

1717
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:34,000
with matt it's it has lit a little bit

1718
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,040
more of a fire

1719
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,760
for the ufo subject for me absolutely

1720
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,160
would i rather see

1721
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,680
a delta shaped craft and hear a humming

1722
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,359
and then see some kind of a weird being

1723
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,119
come out of one sure

1724
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:50,000
maybe save the missing time jokes aside

1725
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:51,119
because i don't think that would be

1726
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,079
super fun

1727
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,880
when you talk to uh because as much as i

1728
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,000
like to joke and

1729
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,160
make fun of things and laugh about hurt

1730
01:00:02,870 --> 00:59:59,599
bums and things

1731
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,880
uh i it's horrible what happens to

1732
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,400
people at least their perception

1733
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,920
whatever it may be whatever you believe

1734
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,920
happen to those people doesn't matter

1735
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,119
because to them

1736
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,839
that is goddamn real and it's horrible

1737
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,559
so

1738
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,559
that i would i could pass on but i would

1739
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:16,960
love to see an actual craft someday

1740
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:20,160
uh whether or not and if it is in fact

1741
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:21,440
sean kevin jason

1742
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,359
he saw a silent uh delta shaved craft

1743
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,359
just outside area 51 we talked to him

1744
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,920
for first season of on the trail ufos

1745
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:32,000
and i think that would be incredible to

1746
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,280
see something like that now

1747
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,280
even sean admits if that's the right

1748
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,880
sean he admits

1749
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,799
he thinks that's a conventional craft

1750
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,079
they were out testing

1751
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,240
just light years ahead of uh no pun

1752
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,079
intended there light years ahead of what

1753
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:45,599
we would know of

1754
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,640
that our own government has but um

1755
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:51,359
yes sorry long answer long-winded there

1756
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:52,000
i would

1757
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:55,920
absolutely love to dig more into ufos

1758
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,319
and

1759
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,880
seeing that out at dolly's odds

1760
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:00,160
absolutely

1761
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,319
uh helped that nice awesome yeah again

1762
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:06,480
i know i said and uh god what is going

1763
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,520
on with my camera

1764
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:09,040
the men in black are really messing with

1765
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,880
them talking about the men in black

1766
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,079
it's gotta be man i don't know wow it

1767
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,880
looks pretty pretty trippy anyways um i

1768
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:19,200
think it was in your first season of on

1769
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,400
the trail um you

1770
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,559
asked me shannon like would you want to

1771
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:24,319
see something again because i had my

1772
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,040
pretty

1773
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,960
dramatic sighting when i was a kid and

1774
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,799
um i said i think i

1775
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:31,520
recall saying no i'm good like i'm good

1776
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,240
um

1777
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:34,160
i feel like i'm kind of coming around

1778
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,359
like i'm ready

1779
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,400
i i think maybe because

1780
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,319
so many people are talking about it now

1781
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,400
like i i feel like

1782
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,240
fomo almost like i'm like oh i wanna

1783
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,920
have another one again like people are

1784
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,359
seeing stuff i wanna i wanna see

1785
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,799
something again so

1786
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,200
yeah we'll have to get out there and uh

1787
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,200
sky watch the next time the three of us

1788
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,480
are together and

1789
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,240
hopefully we'll finally have that uh

1790
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:58,079
that close encounter of the fourth kind

1791
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,640
maybe

1792
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,799
uh third kind let's go with third guy

1793
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,000
we're kind of good i'm gonna

1794
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:04,799
kind of yeah safe distance all right

1795
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,200
last

1796
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,240
listener question connor on instagram

1797
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:11,760
asks to seth what is the coolest medina

1798
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,710
um so when i moved into yeah

1799
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,400
i live in medina county now so

1800
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,319
unfortunately i'm outside of

1801
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,760
i'm outside of appalachia now but um

1802
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,680
the the coolest that i'm aware of is the

1803
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:29,520
river styx monster which is the one that

1804
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,160
i came

1805
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,240
came upon when i first moved to the area

1806
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,079
and it's like there's a tiny little

1807
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,319
village near where i live in wadsworth

1808
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,079
it's called river styx

1809
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,960
um and i learned as much about that area

1810
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,480
and their local monster as i could when

1811
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,400
i moved in so basically during the 70s

1812
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,319
there were all these sightings of this

1813
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,240
hairy creature especially along the

1814
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,880
roads and in the forests near the uh

1815
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:52,720
metro park over there

1816
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,000
now the sightings completely stop in the

1817
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:59,200
in the very early 2000s which is around

1818
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,039
the same time that all the development

1819
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,039
happened in medina county

1820
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,960
really started to kick up and that area

1821
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,559
is completely developed now

1822
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:09,359
and i mean there's really if bigfoot

1823
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,640
exists it's not going to hide out in

1824
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,599
medina county

1825
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,119
that's all i can tell you but the the

1826
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,960
river styx monster stories are super

1827
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,760
cool

1828
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,680
and river sticks itself is really

1829
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:19,760
interesting because it's such a

1830
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,880
uh apparently like when settlers moved

1831
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,799
into the area they named it river styx

1832
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,200
because if you went into that area

1833
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:30,079
you did not come out like you you died

1834
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,880
there

1835
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,280
so uh i i just think you can kind of

1836
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:35,359
like cast back in your mind as to why

1837
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,559
they might have named it that and it's

1838
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,839
just such a cool

1839
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:40,000
kind of area and to have a bigfoot

1840
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,359
legend there's is

1841
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,359
pretty awesome so that's my favorite

1842
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,240
cool cool wow yeah the imagery

1843
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:49,359
just like evoked in my mind from river

1844
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,240
sticks oh

1845
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,240
god no i'm good i don't want to run into

1846
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,920
that um

1847
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,839
that's all i've got for you guys here

1848
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,599
for um listener questions

1849
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:00,720
um so of course i have to ask

1850
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,319
what comes next uh where can we find

1851
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,599
on the trail of ufos dark sky and yeah

1852
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,280
give us all of the uh

1853
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:11,200
the good links and everything seth let's

1854
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,799
start with you brother where can we find

1855
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,559
the movie and everything you're up to

1856
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,280
uh the movie will be available on august

1857
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:19,520
3rd on all the major like vod platforms

1858
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:19,839
so

1859
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,200
itunes and google play and all

1860
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,960
those places amazon apparently

1861
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,240
occasionally still

1862
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,520
distributes um independent non-fiction

1863
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,440
content so we'll be on there

1864
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,640
um we're distributing through 1091 for

1865
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,559
the foreseeable future we're locking in

1866
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,160
next year's deal as well so we have four

1867
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:39,599
more titles coming out next year from

1868
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,240
them as well

1869
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:43,280
we still have four this year so

1870
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,960
uh there's there's a lot happening

1871
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:46,640
there's eight titles between now

1872
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,319
and next year and that's not including

1873
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:49,760
all the stuff we're doing with youtube

1874
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,520
so um oh actually no 10 10 titles yeah

1875
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,200
we we just locked in two we actually

1876
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:57,039
have two additional titles coming out

1877
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,640
this year that we haven't even announced

1878
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:00,720
yet that are coming out through 1091.

1879
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,240
um so we've got a lot coming um

1880
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,480
on we're we are working on another on

1881
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,480
the trail of ufos we had kind of

1882
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,240
announced it softly announced it last

1883
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,079
year called night visitors

1884
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,839
um we will actually film that and

1885
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,680
release it uh we'll film it

1886
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,280
actually in a couple months a month and

1887
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,880
a half something like that and then

1888
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:21,119
we'll release it that'll be a next year

1889
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:25,280
release 2022 and that will take us to

1890
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:28,319
um probably colorado and wyoming is

1891
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:29,839
where we're looking at so

1892
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,319
we're gonna move uh out of this part of

1893
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,319
the country and back over to the

1894
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,720
you know to the to the more mountainous

1895
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,240
regions of the west

1896
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,400
um so we're excited to to do that next

1897
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,000
but yeah there's a lot happening between

1898
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:43,599
now and the end of this year

1899
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,559
um ruguru on the trailer or no it's the

1900
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,079
howl of the roogaroo

1901
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,880
uh actually 1091 renamed it it's

1902
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,160
skinwalker

1903
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:54,319
the howl of the rougarou and that'll be

1904
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,520
out on

1905
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,720
um august or september

1906
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:00,880
i don't know it's like september 15th i

1907
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,760
can't keep up

1908
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,160
it's been a busy year it's been a busy

1909
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,760
year yeah wow

1910
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:08,000
ooh that's that's exciting awesome and

1911
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:08,880
what's the website

1912
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,240
seth uh smalltownmonsters.com and um

1913
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,079
and yeah visit our youtube channel too

1914
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,640
we do we do new content literally every

1915
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,240
week we've got three videos that went up

1916
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,920
this week we do a show called paranormal

1917
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,200
unexplained

1918
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,000
um which is some of this stm crew

1919
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:25,760
basically debunking

1920
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:28,319
uh paranormal evidence videos it's super

1921
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,200
funny

1922
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,839
um it's not at all serious and it's it's

1923
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:32,880
just a fun watch

1924
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:35,920
um that's the one aaron heads up um

1925
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,960
in all his mullet glory um

1926
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,240
so you guys should definitely check that

1927
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:41,920
out and then we do a show over there's

1928
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,799
another uh

1929
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,319
episodic series that comes out over

1930
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,920
there called beyond the trail as well

1931
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,880
and then if

1932
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:48,079
if you're a channel member you get all

1933
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,680
this like behind the scenes stuff too so

1934
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,720
it's it's a cool

1935
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,400
it's a cool place where we're trying to

1936
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,720
grow it over the next couple of years

1937
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,720
awesome yup youtube is where it's at

1938
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,839
shin give us

1939
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,680
everything what are you up to what's

1940
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:01,599
going on over at uh beyond the freight

1941
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,880
publishing

1942
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,280
and uh yeah give us all the the goodies

1943
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,000
on what's to come on into the fray

1944
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:10,400
well uh i mean itf is still you know

1945
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,359
running weekly

1946
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the thursday show is is coming in hot

1947
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i'm not ever gonna stop doing that as

1948
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long as i'm breathing and i can talk i

1949
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suppose that would be

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kind of an important thing uh but yeah

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beyond the fray

1952
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i probably can't really mention some of

1953
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the authors that we're gonna bring on

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board

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quite yet but we are still signing folks

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um

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if you're interested anybody out there

1958
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come on over we'd love to have you we'd

1959
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love to talk to you

1960
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um it's been a very very busy

1961
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year and i'm expecting next year to

1962
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absolutely

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blow up for uh beyond the phrase that's

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beyond the fairypublishing.com

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and you know you don't have to be an

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author to go there just go there and

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check out our books and our authors

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ryan of course is one of them uh

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somewhere in the skies

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and into the fray is into the

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frayradio.com and of course you can find

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me on all the podcasters youtube i heart

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radio

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and spotify awesome and we do have to

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mention

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as well our good friend andrew over at

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black triangle coffee is doing a very

1978
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special promo for the entire month of

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august starting

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august 3rd andrew is doing a 25

1981
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off all of his coffees over at black

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triangle coffee

1983
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one of which is the official somewhere

1984
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in the skies coffee which you can get

1985
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over there as well

1986
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so that's a good one oh thanks man i've

1987
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had that yeah

1988
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yes see and that's the thing andrew is

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so

1990
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um amazing to work with people on

1991
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the perfect coffee because i'm a huge

1992
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coffee nerd i worked at a sasquatch

1993
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themed coffee shop for two years

1994
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and um i really learned to appreciate

1995
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coffee and

1996
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he worked with me to find like the

1997
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perfect blend of what i would want

1998
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in a coffee and um you know for the

1999
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perfect night to go sky watching and

2000
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that's what we came up with but um

2001
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yeah i know he's got a skinwalker one

2002
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he's got um

2003
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what else does he have over there a

2004
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bigfoot one i believe as well

2005
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um but yeah he wants to celebrate the

2006
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release of dark sky with a very special

2007
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promo

2008
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um 25 off all bags of coffee so head on

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over to

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blacktrianglecoffee.com and help

2011
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celebrate the release of on the trail of

2012
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ufos

2013
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dark sky um but other than that guys i

2014
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have to thank you again for the work

2015
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you're doing

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it is desperately needed in the ufo

2017
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field and beyond

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and i have to thank you once again for

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coming on somewhere in the skies